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The 50 Games Every Developer Must Play - Carlos Camacho - Dec 2, 2009 07:11 PM
Interesting 'little' list for you guys to explore...
The 50 Games Every Developer Must Play - AnotherJake - Dec 2, 2009 10:40 PM
Pfft... No original Metroid? Actually, they missed an incredible amount of "games for game developers", and I'm not just talking about great games, but canonical games. There is a good selection there, but I'm saying that a list that includes the original Zelda but excludes Metroid clearly was written by people who just don't quite "get" game design all the way. I mean, you have Shadow Complex on the list, which is great, but it completely misses the point that Shadow Complex is a direct descendent of Metroid.
The 50 Games Every Developer Must Play - OneSadCookie - Dec 2, 2009 11:11 PM
They're not talking about the seminal game in each genre, they're talking about the games which can teach you most about game design. Having never played Metroid I don't know whether that's justifiably missing, but they should have Braid and Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time on there at least.
The 50 Games Every Developer Must Play - AnotherJake - Dec 2, 2009 11:23 PM
Yes, PoP and Braid are other missing notables from the list. Metroid is an excellent example of a well-designed game all the way, even by today's standards. It just so happens that Braid and Metroid are my two biggest influences on a game I've been designing lately.
The 50 Games Every Developer Must Play - cmiller - Dec 3, 2009 02:45 AM
Where to start...
My point is that this list is horrible. It completely misses the true canon of video gaming classics, instead falling for the low-hanging fruit of recent smash-hits. There is no such thing as an "instant-classic."
* sorry on butchering his name
The 50 Games Every Developer Must Play - Zwilnik - Dec 3, 2009 05:04 AM
The most important one of all for any game designer is missing, the original Advanced Dungeons & Dragons. The DM's guide alone is a masterwork of how to achieve balanced gameplay and tricks to help players have fun.
Other than that, this list is more of a 50 games every fanboy must play rather than a critical list for developers.
The 50 Games Every Developer Must Play - ERaZer - Dec 3, 2009 09:08 AM
Zwilnik Wrote:Other than that, this list is more of a 50 games every fanboy must play rather than a critical list for developers.
I totally agree, the whole point of the article/list seems to be missing.
The 50 Games Every Developer Must Play - AnotherJake - Dec 3, 2009 10:12 AM
Here's my list of game design studies. This is definitely not my fanboy "games you gotta play" list, although I would certainly recommend any of them. I've played hundreds of games over the years, so it's hard to pick the stand-outs from a design/development standpoint, and I know I'm still missing some great ones. These are just some of the titles I take inspiration from; you know, they're the games where you sit down and play as a developer and think to yourself, "There's a game idea in here for me somewhere..." My view changes from time to time, but the ones I've been looking at most recently for inspiration are Metroid, Marathon and Braid.
The 50 Games Every Developer Must Play - OneSadCookie - Dec 3, 2009 12:57 PM
Here's a not-necessarily-complete list of games that I think game designers should play.
The 50 Games Every Developer Must Play - tcIgnatius - Dec 3, 2009 08:22 PM
I've played 43 of the 50 games. Haven't played:OE-CAKE!, AquaForest, XCOM series, Boomshine, Astro Boy or Football Manager.
I have to agree with you guys, the list is more random niche games than games that have good design.
Where is the original Mario Bros.? Tetris? Metroid? I guess this guy assumes we've all played those??? (although the list has a fair share of really popular titles too...)
My list of games/franchises people should just play: (in no particular order)
Super Mario Bros.
The Legend of Zelda
Secret of Mana
The Incredible Machine
Age of Empires
Heroes of Might and Magic
Prince of Persia
Hmm... that's a lot of games. I could go on. It's hard to narrow it down though.
The 50 Games Every Developer Must Play - AnotherJake - Dec 3, 2009 08:36 PM
tcIgnatius Wrote:Hmm... that's a lot of games. I could go on. It's hard to narrow it down though.
Yes, it is hard to narrow down! I've played a lot of those games on your list too, but I forced myself to only list the ones that I felt had special properties, and especially to me from a development standpoint. I almost didn't even include Deus Ex on my shortlist of "study" games. I thought to myself, "Why Deus Ex, but not Oblivion?" -- that is, especially considering Oblivion is my favorite game of all time and it didn't make my list of dev games (that's weird!). I made great effort to focus on games that weren't just my favorite but had design/development value to me. Definitely not as easy to do as one might think!
[adding] As another example of a tough one I really wanted to add to my list was Super Mario Bros 3, because it is truly a masterpiece by THE master, but... I just couldn't think of anything of value that I personally found directly inspirational about it as a developer, other than it simply being a great game.
The 50 Games Every Developer Must Play - AnotherJake - Dec 3, 2009 08:55 PM
Whoah, major deja vu!
I just realized I forgot to mention that I greatly value other developers' input on what games they take inspiration from. Casey once mentioned how much he likes Legend of Zelda Wind Waker. I had never really paid attention to that game, but I watched some videos on it and I can see that it's a beautiful game. Seeing what others are paying attention to is very interesting!
Also, I really appreciate that OSC put web links in his list. If I remember, later I'll go back and add some links for mine as well.
The 50 Games Every Developer Must Play - Frank C. - Dec 4, 2009 12:51 PM
At least they got R-Type and Metal Slug - but these sorts of lists are always kinda silly and heavily opinionated/biased. Personally I wouldn't have made a list like that without mentioning Shadow of the Colossus and Ikaruga. Also gotta agree with AnotherJake on Deus Ex and Marathon.